Anatomy of a Rollover - Part 2

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I'm glad you are both OK - I hope all the injuries are healing quickly. Sometimes the mental part of it takes a bit longer to mend. ;)

It's really amazing how you remember all the details. Your breakdown of the sequence of events and analysis = fascinating.

It does seem odd that the officer could cite you for something that neither he nor anyone else witnessed. So because you crashed, he assumed you were going too fast? *shrug* Maybe you were - hindsight would probably say so. But given the original conditions, it doesn't sound like you were driving recklessly at all. So the ticket sucks.

I think most people remember details like that when their adrenaline shoots up - it's as if time slows down. Plus, not all of those details were in my memory, but rather I figured it out later when piecing the events together.

Yeah I'm still bummed about the ticket because I know that I wasn't being reckless or even careless. The one truth about the officer's observation is that had I been going slower, then the car would've fishtailed less, or spun out but not gone off the road, etc. Of course then some car behind me would try to pass if I were going too slow, and they would've caused a crash...

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I appreciate your inquisitive mind, trying to figure out exactly why your Pilot ended up rolling. And you're right: not all AWD systems work the same way. Every manufacturer of course believes their technology is superior, at least in terms of achieving a couple design objectives (efficiency/wasted energy, effectiveness in maintaining the driver's intended path, cost, complexity/reliability, weight, etc).

However, you seem to have left out one of the most important variables in the assessment of the situation: the tires on the car.

Was your Pilot outfitted with four, equal-sized (and equal tread depth) snow tires? At the risk of sounding like a parent, "All Season" tires are NOT snow tires, and pale in comparison to dedicated snow tires in inclement conditions. Additionally, having AWD or 4WD doesn’t negate the fact that without adequate traction at all four tires, there isn’t going to be much improvement over a 2WD vehicle, once those tires’ limits are exceeded.

Even if you were indeed “driving too fast for conditions,” as the officer of the law deemed, you probably could have regained control of your vehicle, if your vehicle was properly equipped for the conditions.

I’m a veteran driving enthusiast (15+ years experience with autocross and track-day events in many different vehicles). I have lost control of FWD, RWD, and AWD cars in various conditions – under the controlled environment of a race course, and in the real world where dodging an unexpected obstacle or inclement conditions cause a sliding vehicle. Sometimes I can reel it in; sometimes not.

I want to mention the fact that WEIGHT TRANSFER plays an important role in vehicle dynamics, no matter what type of AWD system the car is equipped with, or if it’s FWD or RWD, or even if its inherent weight distribution is affected by the vehicle being front-engine, mid-engine, or rear-engine.

Regardless of the vehicle, when the front tires are no longer able to maintain the driver’s intended path (i.e., understeer), it may help to smoothly shift the car’s weight forward to help those tires bite in to the road surface. When the back tires of a vehicle are slipping (oversteer), a gradual increase in throttle to shift the car’s weight rearwards can help counter that condition.

With your specific accident conditions – the strong crosswind, and most importantly, the dramatically different traction conditions of the “snow tracks” versus the untracked snow – the puzzle of determining what driving actions might have saved the day is even harder to solve (other than slower overall speed).

Also, even if you did all of the “right things,” but took correction action just a touch too late or too vigorously, you might have made things worse, as opposed to just letting go of the steering wheel entirely and letting the front wheel unwind naturally to where they “want” to be (believe it or not, this can actually work in certain situations).

In any case, I’m glad your family (and dogs!) were not injured in the incident.

Thank you,

Hsun Chen
NJ native, now living in Colorado (where nobody knows how to drive in snow, and the cars spun off the road in snowstorms are typically SUVs, Subarus, and Audis)

Dog owner/lover, writer, runner, and driver (not necessarily in that order)

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